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Where does the statistic "700 million gays worldwide" come from? Who did the study and when was it done? What is your source for this stat? . . . homophobic Christians try to cut that down to 1% which is quite ridiculous.
05-06-14 Greek/Hebrew, 700 Million Gays, & Word...
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From: gaysforjesus
To: marmonk@ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:11:17
Subject: Re: "600 million gays worldwide"
On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:28:39 -0700 Mark marmonk@ writes:
Where does the statistic "600 million gays worldwide" come from? Who did the study and when was it done? What is your source for this stat?
Thanks for your reply
Mark
^i^ Generally for decades now there are many studies. Some that are homophobic Christians try to cut that down to 1% which is quite ridiculous. What's my source. I am 50 years old and heard many sources. Its reported in the News from time to time. Its reported by The American Psychological Association below is a release not actually stating percentages in this report, but you can ask them.
WHAT DO PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS SAY?
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Recent statements include:
* The American Psychological Association released a Statement on Homosexuality in 1994-JULY. Their first two paragraphs are: The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals.
Nor is homosexuality a matter of individual choice. Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture. Contrary to what some imply, the incidence of homosexuality in a population does not appear to change with new moral codes or social mores. Research findings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than social prejudice garbed in psychological accouterments.
In 1994-AUGUST, The APA sent a proposal to one of its committees that would
declare as unethical:
o attempts by a psychologist to change a person's sexual orientation through
therapy, or
o referral of a patient to a therapist or organization who attempts to change
people's sexual orientation
* The American Medical Association (AMA) released a report in 1994-DEC which
calls for "non judgmental recognition of sexual orientation by physicians." They
suggest that psychotherapy be directed help homosexuals "become comfortable with
their sexual orientation."
* The American Psychiatric Association took homosexuality off of its list of
mental illnesses many decades ago.
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^i^ You can go to my home page and select related and begin researching this percentage by going to the many web site on the internet. Or you can independently search the internet for documentation. You can contact gay organization referral services to locate sources to find this information. Personally I have found it many places through the years. I have not recently looked for info for my computer files. To date I have had no need to defend the 10% gays question. The Church's percentages has no base. Once a year for instance gays all around the country has gay parades commemorating Stonewall when the first gays stood up to authority for their rights. Here in Seattle I have attended several parades as well as some other cities. The last one I went to several years ago had 80,000 turn out nearly all gay. Seattle had less than 500,000 people at the time. Most gays stay home. One plus one equals two to me. A 1% turn out would be 5000. 1% can not make Reno turn gay. Use to be every year Reno had a Gay Rodeo and I went to one. Every casino all the streets and hotel and motels were full of gays. It was quite a site. I personally in person have seen the statistics of 10% stand the test of time. I will happily receive any statistics you can find and if I come across some that is computer ready I will insert it into my web site. Thanks for your comments.
In Christ Jesus
John
Part 2 of 2
Comments in reply
to marmonk "630 million gays worldwide" continued
From: gaysforjesus
To: marmonk@ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 16:35:53
Subject: Re: "600 million gays worldwide"
^i^ Apparently you are in the same groups that love to condemn gays as a tiny minority and use strange examples. Just because I can't get you specific documentation and you have ready made sources from a homophobic reserve of false data doesn't make facts disappear. I gave you a place to start finding other material and it is a fact that you never spent a minute looking through the available materiel. I don't know who you assume i am, but generally my sources are correct even if I can't remember where I got them over the years. It doesn't matter much that you appear to seek negative info and avoid accurate info and condemn those that tell you something you don't want to here. Had I been a professional scholar and head of a data gathering organization I might have retained the info you appear to discard because I can't give you some d0cumentation. I gave you a document from the AMA and I guess that organization is flawed too. Because you find fault with McKinsey has no bearing on the facts. In my 23 year ministry After years of repeating information and being concerned that the years might have muddied the facts some I have found the material again and saw that I still have the facts in order. I have confidence that when I tell you that 10% is gay therefore 6 billion make 600 million gays. I can not produce a document that the population of Earth is at the 6 billion mark either. Can you produce facts that its still 5 billion? I heard on the News that Seattle has reached 500 thousands but can not give you one iota of documentation to back that info up. Does this make it a false fact if I just tell you its 500,000? as I told you I seen it or heard it as I have enjoyed researching material like this most my life, but never had any desire to write it down or get a copy. On occasions I do get documentation, but like you believe if its not what you want to accept you will discard it anyway. Its really laughable to consider a 1% rate. There are just to many openly gay people in the world. There are just to many gay groups in the world, there are just to many gay news media in the world. They speak of the hundreds of millions in daily life. How many times do you read gay newspapers? In Seattle 10 years ago they had over 300 gay groups meeting regularly. Just because for years I have not gotten the list and do not have a list anymore does that make these groups suddenly disappear? How does 1% support Exodus International and all related ex-gay groups in the world and PFLAG support all the parents and friends of gays in the world. What a busy 1% huh? All this while most gays stay uninvolved. Have you gone out every night to all the gay bars and made a count? Most gays don't go to gay bars but there sure is a lot out there. When I drive by the straight bars after an evening drive through town in Seattle I see a large number of straights at the bars and I bet most straights don't go to bars. Where do those that you hold in esteem for producing 1% get there statistics? Do they quote from gay organizations members list? Yet most gays don't belong to any group.
I can go on for quite awhile the point being is why you validate the few sources you base your conclusions on. Are you gay? I bet you have not spent much time in the different largely gay districts of towns. So you base your proof on predominately homophobic literatures. Lets evaluate your sources for their belief concerning gays. I bet we will find a predominately ant-gay Christian background. How about that Family Center group. You know Jack Kemp's son is the leader. Jack Kemp is a 33rd degree Mason which translates to he know exactly the secret plans for the new World order including the preparation of announcing anti-Christ as world Leader. I suppose my knowledge on the Mason is faulty too, right? Tell me why is it so important to you to disprove the 10% rate? Again it would be a shoe in to say that you hold the 700 year old anti-gay Church doctrine as Bible fact. You would quote the 12 -13 verses used to condemn gays. So where is your unbiased support? I have read the anti-gay doctrine support and have been immersed in the general anti-gay doctrines so I can truthfully say I know the foundations of the origins of the anti-gay belief in the Church and what has happened since Jesus concerning this subject on both sides of the story. I bet you call the gay supportive side false and you hold as the letter of the truth the anti-gay side. You should try to be more honest with your approach. You should have clearly stated its not the percentages that is of concern, but that you just believe gay is sin therefore any material that supports gays is evil. There are 3 library in the USA that each has hundreds of thousands of gay books covering all time periods. How many of them did you read? I have purposely under estimated the numbers, actually I think these libraries have over a million books, one of which has 3 million books. One library is public the other 2 are private. Did you go to the Vatican into their library in an underground vault which is available to the public, but rarely known and not advertised that has a large amount of information concerning gays in the books there and much of it is positive? You try to act like you have smarts belittling my statements by presenting a couple of sources. Now please go much deeper if you are so smart with sources you can present and show that my information is false. Of course I don't expect anything of the kind from you and the only reason I rant and rave on to you is that just maybe you will begin to comprehend there is more to the gay issue than your desires to prove it wrong. There is a shaking about to come. Jesus is kind of a faith thing you know. You can't get saved by have the facts given you that Jesus is God. You must believe by faith the He is the Son of God and that God rose him on the 3rd day. Wherein you ask him to forgive you. Never a fact is given you, just someone testifying that he is the Christ. There is a parallel here. Again, you by faith must accept it. That is the Church is wrong concerning gay issue. Gay is not sin. There are tons of facts that a baby should see clearly. I could tell you fact after fact and go over the details of the Word of God showing so very clearly that it is not talking about gays, but as Israel rejects Jesus as their Messiah so the Church in general rejects any info that states gay is not sin. You will be in the same blindness as Israel until as they will see in a moment whom they pierced, so shall the Church see they have condemned an innocent people. When Jesus begins to reveal this to the Church it will be very late and very painful process to successfully come out of the bondage to the 700 years of conditioning that gay is sin.
I suppose you want documentation why I should state this to you. You won't get it, though I may try very hard to show you as it is right in front of your eyes, just like Christ is right in front of the nation of Israel's eyes yet they do not see him. I see Jesus so clearly, I feel him inside, he answers my prayer often and he is everywhere in my life. He came to me when I invited him to accepting his provisions. There is not one day that goes by these past 23.5 years since he became my Savior that he did not make his presence known to me. I can't fathom how anyone can say there is no God let alone that Jesus isn't who he said he is. Yet, still most the world does not believe and when I did not believe no one could convince me. How then can I convince you anything about gays especially concerning the Bible? Don't ever expect that as long as you hold in your heart that there is no other way except that gay is sin that convincing documentation will easily come your way. It is your life that you must deal with not my life or any ones else's. I experience the road of unbelief. Jesus came to me I did not go to the truth in him. And so for you too you must hear Jesus when he speaks to you concerning truth because you won't go to truth but you will remain in the doctrine you hold even if you are otherwise close to Jesus. Jesus promised to be with those that believe especially if 2 or 3 gathering in his name he will be in their mist. He never said that means what ever you and the others are saying is from him. I suggest, though you won't accept it, to you that if this 1% thing is so important to you that you should begin a prayer and fasting vigil and then in earnest go out to every source that you neglected before and see what they say. You know the old saying they are no atheists in fox holes? And that most proclaimed atheists have never read the Bible, just like when I told myself I was an atheist I had never read the Bible. Now I have read it many times. You know I can't quote by verse or chapter still, but I never hear anyone read anywhere in the Bible that I didn't know the details of the context they were reading from and I remember the verse being read. Yet, I could not give it to you now if you asked me unless it was that I have had to use so often to show people like you that Gay was not sin or on other subjects related to what I minister on. I suppose if I can't quote the Ch. an vs. then I have no documentation for you so I would be wrong, right? I can tell you the whole Bible from start to finish, but I can not tell you the verse name unless I look it up. I suppose I am wrong and giving false information, right? Again tell me why you can get books with surveys of gay couples that have big difference in age and it covers only those that have 30 year relationships and gives a statistical information on them. This one book covers many couple in the San Diego area and was printed somewhere in the 70s. Where did the ability to find enough to make that kind of a study if only 1% where gay especially in a time when long term relationships almost never were involved publicly and almost seemed invisible, yet here in a time period that gays weren't well accepted at all they got the info actually fairly easily just by asking around for such couples to come forward. I read that book from the library, but I can't tell you the name of it as I read it in the 70s and borrowed it. I only just now recalled it so I can give you more insight to your faulty 1% rate. How can a church's 1st meeting develop into a church in every major city and even mid sized cities and some even quite small cities from 1968 to mid 70s? Of course now its literally everywhere or close enough to commute to and many many places around the world (MMC) as well as all the other denominations, plus any other non-Christian religion as well. Sure 1% can do this. You see I have no proof to give you.
Funny I though I told you go to my home page on the internet there you can find links to many such groups. Even Dignity (Catholic) staring in 1967 spread just as quickly. I guess when you add these groups up you must get a fraction of a percentage so small that it can't be measured, because most gays just do not join or attend any group at all. But since organizations and groups aren't really counter in your sources then how can you say they are really a indication that 1% is completely ridiculous. Now let me review another fact that I can not give you documentation on. Lets look at the talk show and voting. 1% sure generates a lot of talk shows and just look at them. Every time you turn around another talk show pro verses con. It is always one side against the other. Funny, love seems always to come from the pro gay side while bondage to the LAW with no joy comes from the anti-gay side. Now then there have been lots of voting going on gay issues. You tell me since I can't get the documentation, even though its reported on all the networks, why its always been neck and neck lately? Almost 50/50. Even some actually pass on the pro side though most fail but now by such a small number. The USA is divided almost exactly (voting records) half and half. Your beloved 1% supports such a development. 1% even was enough to gather people to fight for AIDS research when the Church wished it was a punishment from God. I am really bad here as in the last 14 years I donated $10 once to help them. Yet, the gay community still changed the world concerning aids TREATMENT. Although I am now concerned that the very medicine supposedly designed to help is purposefully the actual thing killing people with AIDS. (See HEAL organization concerning that). And also lots of documents on GOV'T created AIDS abounds and much of it is creditable credentials that makes this worth considering. I can't give you the video taped documentation I have so I guess its non-existent to you. You have the internet to look into to find documentation. Do you want documentation on how so many of the founding fathers of the Southern Baptist churches were up to 32nd degree Masons. The 1st 3 levels appear Christian and with the 4th level to advance you must accept God is architect of the universe. This then upon higher levels changes to deism, finally arriving at Luciferism or satanism depending if you are a Scottish Rite or York rite Mason, which for one world gov't joined this century for that common goal. I can tell you Jonathan Gray has documented NASA finding a pre-flood earth orbiting satellite that had crashed and survived the 1000s of years. But then he is a nut even though he apparently is famous for his explorations. I am just now getting information from a TV viewer of mine that is directing me to his book which is rare and apparently being purposely kept off the shelves. What about Lord Maitreya, is this just a fictional character too. Or is he as reported been meeting with 200 world leaders along with the Vatican representation and protestant representation to detail out a way to announce him as world leader. He is also of the Benjamin Creme fame a guru of guru. The name mean higher than Jesus, in fact Jesus' teacher. The gov't has technology that can beam people somewhere else too. They plan to beam Lord Maitreya to Africa to convince skeptics he is indeed GOD. This to is rubbish, because you don't have documentation to prove it, that these ex-gov't secret agents that are risking their lives to tell the story.
Pope Paul wears a secret society symbol next to his cross and is reported to be the number 2 positions (2nd beast) to Lord Maitreya. Yes, listen to me and you will hear what may sound out outrageous. Do you believe the USA is that wonderful country we were taught about in school growing up? Do you believe the Counsel on Foreign Relations is just a group that enjoy foreign affairs? The history we were taught is just not true. Russia has never been an enemy of the USA, just because lots of people died in the world wars does not make us against them true. It was the Rothschild's (Masons) plan to finance both sides. The killing would make a one world gov't more acceptable. Modern Russia was born in New York. Sir Francis Bacon wrote the plans for the New World (USA) to be the birth place of New Atlantis (Days of Noah). The Masons trace the roots to the FLOOD and have worked since to re-instate the pre-flood democracy. They failed many times. George Washington attended one meeting of the Masons and after he retired the presidency he nearly brought down the Mason efforts. Lincoln did the same by not accepting to join/form a world order. The Czars(also stopped cold the attempt for a one world order. Some Popes banned Masons other welcomed them. Today the Vatican is nearly controlled by Mason members with high levels. One of the several main goals for the USA was to infiltrate the church especially though the Sundays schools to ever so slightly change the story that it could not be noticed over a long period. Mason goals have always been set toward one world gov't and that time was not an obstacle. Some were impatient and tried to start it in there day. Nixon also almost declared marshal law with an elaborate plan to raise rioting with bombings around the country based centrally of the convention in San Diego so that he would become dictator of the USA. San Diego is also interesting that with Heavensgate someone in the know found a code given as an error code for not finding their site to be a code use by those that control every address on the whole internet. That error message was quickly changed to a to busy call back later message. It turns out that this (private) group that give permission for addresses has retired military generals from every branch except the marines I think on its board of directors. But you say when I tell you something it false, OK go a head and believe that.
I am just trying to give you a chance to add 1 + 1 and get 2 . . . Want me to tell you about MJ12 UFOs gurus every secret society and where normally Christians teach that satan uses his spiritual teletype to tell all these independent groups things that somehow magically brings in anti-christ's kingdom that will somehow join together at the right time. No, just simple won't be satan does not have GOD powers he must use men and technology to counterfeit God as much as he can. The real life fact is these groups are not so far disrelated as we thought. Witchcraft side of things and many others the top hierarchy are from the Scottish Rite side of Masonry. The various secret societies like Rosicrusians who actually are directly linked to Masons and all the other groups operate act the command of the Masons (above the highest publicly known level of 33). The several masters living in various parts of the world, Eastern stuff like Yoga and other India religions are directly linked as well. The Greek gods are actually from 2 gods of Egypt which translated actually refers to Lucifer. Masons believe Lucifer never fell and is equal in power to GOD. But that God is the dark God and Lucifer is the God that gives you free choice. Everything actually does connect to reconstruct the Days of Noah starting in the USA. Law already exist that gives our children to the United Nations. And actually there is little needed to implement the one world order which they can do right now. Clinton know just about everything. He has recently been promoted to the Builderbergs where Bush is a current leader. The problem for it today is there is no god to step in as world dictator. And since the plan is satan (Lucifer) rules in maybe Lord Maitreya, most people must be willing to accept him or hand power to him. The plan calls for a crisis, man made or natural which ever comes first. A stock market crash is most talked about, Chase Manhattan Bank was overheard saying the 3rd world countries would just say they won't pay up their dept. Today just watching the stock market shows all the signs that anything can make it move a great deal either way. Predictions abounds concerning natural disaster too. All waits on the next big crisis where people would ask this master to step in and help fix things. The plan also calls for a dead line of 2012 a very distinct deadline that if world rule does not happen by then the already selected people would go into deep underground bases and then unleash something that would destroy all life on the surface. WOW look at all the unsupported info I am telling you. You sure have to have faith to believe me don't you? I wonder how I came across this info? I guess just believing one false source huh? Boy what a source that must be. After all I was born yesterday and have had no time to hear any possible confirmation on what I have told you. Isn't almost 51 years to short to hear many sources? Well the Church is in for a shock. To many believe that the Rapture comes b4 the TRIB. Even though the Bible says 1260 days of it is for the breaking of the power of God's people. It also says the water will be turned off for the first time in 2000 years. These 2000 years were for to sink your roots deep into Jesus. But with all the surface water too many didn't feel the need, now very soon this will be shut off and suddenly no water and the thirst begins so fast it will make your head spin. The Mason are very good at deceiving and keeping secrets and the ever so slightly changes in the Sundays schools over the last 80 years worked on a lot of Christians. A 6 year study on the life of Jesus paid for by Masons will be published and advertised a lot. This study was done by bought and paid for recent graduates to put together a convincing life of Jesus without the clutter of the Bible. This combined with many factors especially the absence of water. Will confuse many into thinking Jesus lied to them and they will turn their backs on him. Jesus told to persevere, standfast, and holdfast to our faith in him till the Rapture. There is a reason for that because this soon coming day will have no water. No doubt most Christian would say they have deep roots into Jesus, but shallow roots and deep roots feels the same in rainy weather. its the drought that makes the difference.
Before you got to Jesus through way of the HOLY SPIRIT, deep roots actually taps direct into Jesus where the living water is. Both ways gets you connected to Jesus. But with the HOLY SPIRIT stops watering when the 2 witnesses ask him to stop them and feel never before felt will come on many Christians. Jesus thus can say I never Knew to many. Had you known of these days thing when it came you would not be so completely confused and would have stayed faithful to death as it very well may happen as 3 billion will die b4 the Rapture takes place. I guess I am just making this up aren't I after all I am gay and God would never show me these things would he and you would have to believe by faith. Can you find what I am saying in the Bible? Or after all is said and done you will come up with a statement to me that you really aren't a Christian anyway. Simple answer get saved then come back to me, certainly I have said enough to make you curious. I didn't just go outside and pick this info off the tree. If you need documentation for faith you'll never get it. That is not to say you must simply believe what I say. I told you its out there and took me 50 plus years to get it and its still out there for you. If I want to only believe gay is sin then I would only get Church approved material, but if I wanted to confirm their material I would read other material as well to compare. Sodomite means temple prostitute not homosexual, that is what you learn from other resources that has a wealth of background to confirm the meaning. The Church on the other hand never compares real life facts with the word of God concerning gays and so sees only their hatred of gays confirmed. Had you loved gays you would have checked out the documentation of your source. You would have found that indeed the Bible's Sodomites was the name given to fertility cult temple prostitutes and so discovering just about every verse used to condemn gays do not condemn gays at all. In closing I urge you to 1st accept Jesus if you don't know him yet, then consider spending time researching what I have been telling you. Don't think you can get your research done in a day or 2. I have spent most of my life confirming and reconfirming these things. Send me the best you got and I can show you its flaws the word you like to use about my findings.
Always in Christ's love towards you
John
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